From: Gilly
Date: 21-Oct-09
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Just wondering which you folks are fond of using. I tend to call a downed animal "my kill" I hear fellows all the time on the hunting shows say, harvest, downed, taken....etc
When speaking to or describing your hunt to non hunters, do you candy coat it or do you tell them "I killed a XXXX with my bow"
I just wonder are we becoming a "secret society" in this world of political correctness?
Cheers,
Harley
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From: John Ryan
Date: 21-Oct-09
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Animals are killed, period. You can harvest grain crops, take your kids to the mall, or go hunting and kill an animal. That's about it.
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From: Rom120
Date: 21-Oct-09
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I'm sorry John, but I have to disagree on this one. My kids DRAG me to the mall. Other than that, I'm with ya. :-)
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From: Spike
Date: 21-Oct-09
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I would respond but I would have to have the secret society split finger handshake first!
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From: markd
Date: 21-Oct-09
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I use "kill" plain and simple. I hate PC! I particularly hate the word "harvest" used in hunting. I am a predator in the woods like any other and I kill like any other and I see no reason to call it anything but what it is. Everybody kills: some of us are simply more comfortable doing it for ourselves while others are happier paying somebody else to do it for them out of sight. JMO
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From: Gilly
Date: 21-Oct-09
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Awesome points of veiw fellas, that's exactly the stand point I have. I dont go in the bush to pic nic, I go to kill food.....period!!!
John and Jeff, I get dragged to the damn mall by my wife and my daughter......I'm the guy sitting on the bench pouting and looking pissed off......I hate malls, no good hunting store was ever put in a mall in all the places I've lived.
Cheers,
Harley
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From: Blackhawk
Date: 21-Oct-09
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I don't like harvest either, but when you "KILL" something, it sounds sinister to me.
Here's the common dialog here:
"Did you get anything?"
"Yeah, I got a suntan."
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From: onesharpbroadhead
Date: 21-Oct-09
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I use kill - never been one for euphemisms - also dislike when people say someone "passed away" or that someone "expired" - people do not "pass away" they die - and library cards expire - not people!
Say what you mean and mean what you say is sort of how I feel.
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From: John Ryan
Date: 21-Oct-09
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Harley, that's really the way that I feel about the mall thing, but I was trying to be polite. LOL!
John
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From: markd
Date: 21-Oct-09
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Our mall has a sporting goods store!! Dick's Sporting Goods! When I get "dragged" to the mall, I go to Dick's and spend money we don't have on stuff I do not need to go out and KILL something with! :-) Then I go to Barnes and Noble and read books and magazines about stuff I want to KILL! I would like to KILL the mall actually ! Do you think 8 grains per pound is enough arrow to kill a mall? :-)
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From: Zman
Date: 21-Oct-09
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I hate when people use the term "stick"... as an example, "I hope I stick something tonight." That's BS. You hope you kill something.
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From: Slickheadhunter
Date: 21-Oct-09
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Kill is what it is,I agree,in my opinion to sugar coat it shows a lack of respect to the animal we just killed.
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From: Danbow
Date: 21-Oct-09
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Think about it, on most hunting videos they are actually harvesting an animal because they are specially grown on deer farms or ranches just like other crops.
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From: SoCalArcher
Date: 21-Oct-09
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When talking to hunters, I use the word kill. When talking to non-hunters, I use the word harvest; not to sugar coat, but to educate. Remember, we are ambassadors; not of a sport, but of an occupation we are so passionate about.
My wife is a teacher with the Los Angeles Unified School District and at times I find myself at social events with her co-workers in attendance as well. Now, they’re all fine people, but an extremely liberal group of Democrats they are. It doesn’t take long to strike a conversation about my latest exploits; fully aware that at any time someone will challenge me concerning the morals of hunting. I see it as an opportunity to faithfully and respectfully represent my passion and practice of hunting, fishing, and hiking in the great outdoors. Keeping in mind that most of these people have never step foot in the woods and their only experience with animals is the petting zoo. Their awareness of prey, predator, and especially hunter is what Disney movies have forged in their heads.
So, as an ambassador for hunting, it is my obligation to re-educate those who have become so disconnected to the reality and importance of wildlife conservation.
I hunt with the intention to kill so I may harvest a renewable resource.
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From: Slickheadhunter
Date: 21-Oct-09
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In my opinion these people are not stupid,and they know that animals are killed in order for us to eat them.The PC thing is out of control,so many things we cant say because of the possibility of upsetting someone.Its a form of control that is stifling our first amendment.In Canada its a gainst the law to express the "OPINION" that you do not think homosexuality is right.I also hear they want to pass similar laws here.
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From: Rom120
Date: 21-Oct-09
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Right, but I will say that a dead frog croaked.
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From: Gilly
Date: 22-Oct-09
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"Right, but I will say that a dead frog croaked"
Now that's funny...lol
Harley
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From: Slickheadhunter
Date: 22-Oct-09
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Just after posting my first responce to this thread I read an article by a local writer in our New Hampshire Sunday news.In his opinion he also believes it has done more harm than good.
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From: onesharpbroadhead
Date: 22-Oct-09
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Speaking of croaked - did you hear about the little boy who asked his grandpa if he could make a sound like a frog. The grandpa said "sure, but why do you want me to do that" - the little boy replied: "Because grandma says as soon as you croak we are going to Florida!"
:)
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From: Gilly
Date: 22-Oct-09
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"Because grandma says as soon as you croak we are going to Florida!" LMAO!!!!
HArley
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From: Dave Lay
Date: 22-Oct-09
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Kill ! crops are harvested. unless of course its a buck that is pen raised like a crop and some slob "harvests it"
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From: Rick Barbee
Date: 22-Oct-09
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Kill !
I will never try to candy coat the reality of what I am doing, because to do so (for me) would seem like being in denial of it, and if I need to live in denial, then I probably shouldn't do it.
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From: wiggy
Date: 22-Oct-09
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We all recognize that we kill animals, the problem is our sport can be legislated away if we don't present ourselves respectfully. The more people you turn into anti's the closer we come to being outlaws.
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From: Bowhunter
Date: 22-Oct-09
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Just give Obama some time........he is dismantling the America that we've all known, even as we speak. He's working on stifling freedom of speech, along with everything else, that goes along with a socialist agenda. So for those of you who are truly confused.. Just wait a little bit, and the Obama Administration of Socialist, Marxist, Communist Czars, will tell you EXACTLY what you can and cannot say. Born American, and Southern By the Grace of God! I would be offended, if ANYONE ever accused me of being "Politically Correct".
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From: Bowhunter
Date: 22-Oct-09
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Ooops! I'm sorry Lord, and please bless the starving pygmies in New Guinea.
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From: Slickheadhunter
Date: 22-Oct-09
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I dont believe the non hunting population of this country are offended by the term kill,But the anti hunting people will never be changed into thinking any differently so the heck with them.
I will kill my deer and harvest my corn!
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From: David McLendon
Date: 22-Oct-09
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Kill I'm not a farmer so I don't harvest anything.
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From: Timberghost
Date: 24-Oct-09
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KILL!
If we as hunters can't or won't understand, accept, and come to terms with what we are doing, how can we possibly expect non-hunters and anti-hunters to understand or accept what we do?
Crops are harvested, domestic livestock animals are slaughtered, and wild game animals are killed. PERIOD!
And I fully agree with everything Bowhunter wrote. Folks, BHO is the enemy.
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From: Slickheadhunter
Date: 24-Oct-09
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If theres one thing that burns my backside, its the term politically correct!
This tool has been used in other countries to begin control of what the citizens say and how they think.Everyone of us should be able to express our opinion without anyone telling us we cannot because it may offend some group.In my opinion PC is a huge problem in this country.
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From: Gilly
Date: 24-Oct-09
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"In my opinion PC is a huge problem in this country"
It's a big prob up here too. I think we spend so much time trying not to offend anyone that what we are trying to say is watered down and the point doesnt come across like intended..
Cheers,
Harley
PS- I've KILLED 2 whitetails in the past 2 weeks and going for more tonight.
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From: bitten in the mitten
Date: 24-Oct-09
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Got one? Killed, Backstraps, and so on. Perhaps if I would be more pc, my mother would claim me:)
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From: whack-n-stack
Date: 25-Oct-09
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I think someone needs to send this question in to "Spirit of the Wild" See what uncle Ted has to say about this one... :)
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From: Ibow
Date: 25-Oct-09
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My mom used to ask, "Did ya catch one?" 8~)
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From: JJJ
Date: 25-Oct-09
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I dislike kill. "I shot a nice buck". It doesn't bother me when someone uses kill, it's just not for me. Makes it sound like I was on a mission to kill something, that I was "out for blood". JMO
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From: Gilly
Date: 27-Oct-09
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Thanks to all who participated in this thread, I am of the opinion that no matter where we are from or how we inform others of our hunting success regardless of what words we use, we all have the same goal and outcome.......a clean kill, and backstraps in the pan.
Cheers,
Harley
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From: FRJ
Date: 29-Oct-09
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Kill is what I do and its what I say. Being called PC is enough for me to turn the person calling me that into body count.If you can't stomach using the word that best describes what you do maybe you shouldn't do it!!!!!FRJ
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From: Longdraw
Date: 29-Oct-09
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BDD (Big Deer Down) Killed!
LOL, what Ibow said, I get that all the time when I return to work after a hunting vacation; what did you catch or did you catch anything?? I always reply, yea, I caught cold!!
Ed
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From: Ibow
Date: 31-Oct-09
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Gilly - I haven't been around much the last few weeks but I just wanted to tell you I am really glad to see you posting and participating here again the last month or so.
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From: wtpops
Date: 01-Nov-09
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The people that i tell about my KILLS are more than lickly my friends and as my friends i respect there views on things weather i agree with them or not, so with these people beinging friends i will use what ever makes them more comfortable.
I make no excuses and no apoligies i respect the animal i hunt and i beleave my friends are due that same respect.
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From: Gilly
Date: 01-Nov-09
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Thanks Chuck, been enjoying it again, and really enjoying the topics that have been coming up.
Cheers,
Harley
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From: Timberghost
Date: 02-Nov-09
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JJJ - No disrespect, sir, but when I go hunting, I truly am "out on a mission to kill something" and I am "out for blood."
If I don't connect, well, that's why its called "hunting" instead of "killing."
Speaking of blood, have y'all tried fresh, raw tenderloin chunks or backstrap chunks cut into bite sized pieces and drowned in soy sauce yet? If you like suhi, you will love this. Try it! YUMMMM!!!!!
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From: Gilly
Date: 02-Nov-09
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Donnie, I love sushi, do have a recipe for this, or how to?????? I've heard of eating marinaded raw venison before but never gave it a second thought. Sounds like something I should really try.
Cheers,
Harley
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From: JJJ
Date: 02-Nov-09
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Timberghost...no problem at all. I just hunt to have hunted.
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From: Timberghost
Date: 04-Nov-09
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Gilly,
This dish is best with fresh meat which has not been frozen.
Cut and trim back strap or tenderloin into smal chunks - 1/2" or so. Make sure you get all the hair, silverskin, and stringy stuff off.
Rinse meat in cold water. Place in a bowl.
Drown it in Soy sauce. Add a little Olive Oil and your favorite seasoning to taste.
Stir it all up and place in the fridge for 30 minutes or so.
Pull it back out, stir it up, and dig in.
JJJ - Understood! I always say a bad day hunting trumps a good day at work every single time!!
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From: anglingarcher
Date: 04-Nov-09
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I usually say before I find an animal,I shot a nice buck, which is followed by I found him. However, I believe the actual correct terminology is harvest. Harvest implies that the resource is renewable and the purpose consumption. Since deer are a resource that is managed by Fish and Wildlife, deer are by definition harvested. Also, when hunting, you are hunting for food, you are not allowed to let a deer lie after it is harvested, you also must make every attempt to retrieve the body. This differs from nuisance permits which can require that youleave the animal, which would be by definition killing. So in summary the proper term when abiding by game laws and retrieving an animal for consumption is hunting. Senseless shooting or removal of deer would be killing. I don't care either way, if I speak to someone after I have found an animal I may say I got one. My mother asks me if I caught any too. lol
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From: Gilly
Date: 04-Nov-09
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Good points Alex.........they are a renewable resource, I never looked at it this way
Cheers,
Harley
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From: onesharpbroadhead
Date: 04-Nov-09
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Harvest is a euphemism for what is actually happening - we are killing the deer.
The term harvest until relatively recently was never used to describe the killing of animals - and in many dictionaries you will not even find a definition of "harvest" that would even imply that it could be used for animals - though in some you will find it applied to commercial fishing.
I don't think that beef cattle farmers refer to the slaughter as a harvest - but who knows - maybe now they do to try and satisify the animal rights folks.
Call it what you want - I'll call it what it is - not a fan of euphemisms - say what you mean and mean what you say
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From: Timberghost
Date: 04-Nov-09
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Yeah! What Onesharp said!!
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From: Gilly
Date: 04-Nov-09
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""Call it what you want - I'll call it what it is - not a fan of euphemisms - say what you mean and mean what you say ""
Well said!
Cheers,
Harley
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